TY - JOUR
T1 - Radicals and Plotkin's problem concerning geometrically equivalent groups
AU - Göbel, Rüdiger
AU - Shelah, Saharon
PY - 2002
Y1 - 2002
N2 - If G and X are groups and N is a normal subgroup of X, then the G-closure of N in X is the normal subgroup X̄G = ∩ {ker φ|φ X → G, with N ⊂ ker φ} of X. In particular, 1̄G = RGX is the G-radical of X. Plotkin calls two groups G and H geometrically equivalent, written G ∼ H, if for any free group F of finite rank and any normal subgroup N of F the G-closure and the H-closure of N in F are the same. Quasi-identities are formulas of the form (Λi≤n wi = 1 → w = 1) for any words w, wi (i ≤ n) in a free group. Generally geometrically equivalent groups satisfy the same quasi-identities. Plotkin showed that nilpotent groups G and H satisfy the same quasi-identities if and only if G and H are geometrically equivalent. Hence he conjectured that this might hold for any pair of groups. We provide a counterexample.
AB - If G and X are groups and N is a normal subgroup of X, then the G-closure of N in X is the normal subgroup X̄G = ∩ {ker φ|φ X → G, with N ⊂ ker φ} of X. In particular, 1̄G = RGX is the G-radical of X. Plotkin calls two groups G and H geometrically equivalent, written G ∼ H, if for any free group F of finite rank and any normal subgroup N of F the G-closure and the H-closure of N in F are the same. Quasi-identities are formulas of the form (Λi≤n wi = 1 → w = 1) for any words w, wi (i ≤ n) in a free group. Generally geometrically equivalent groups satisfy the same quasi-identities. Plotkin showed that nilpotent groups G and H satisfy the same quasi-identities if and only if G and H are geometrically equivalent. Hence he conjectured that this might hold for any pair of groups. We provide a counterexample.
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U2 - 10.1090/S0002-9939-01-06108-1
DO - 10.1090/S0002-9939-01-06108-1
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AN - SCOPUS:0035994167
SN - 0002-9939
VL - 130
SP - 673
EP - 674
JO - Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society
JF - Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society
IS - 3
ER -